Dr. Shaw's album includes several pictures from the Wallowas. This image of his carriage crossing the Wallowa River caught my attention because of a detail. If you look closely at the guardrail you'll see it is lined with advertisements for local businesses. It's a little hard to read with the carriage in the way, but it looks like "Crockers" and some "Hardware Store", along with several others. I guess it shouldn't be surprising to see roadside advertising, but I wasn't expecting it.
That is a well built bridge.
Any chance it is also a railroad bridge?
L.E. on 17th September 2018 @ 8:00am
Not near strong enough to be a RR bridge and RR bridges normally had parallel top chords. With weight this bridge would bounce, sag and collapse ~
Kenn on 17th September 2018 @ 8:29am
I am no expert on bridges, but I thought just the opposite L.E. Looks a little flimsy to me. Are those steel girders? If not, I would be a little nervous taking a big team of horses and a heavy wagon load across it. And definitely not a train. Is somebody an expert on bridges on this site?
Buzz on 17th September 2018 @ 8:34am
The close hill makes this appear to be the center crossing of three between Perry and Hilgard ~
Kenn on 17th September 2018 @ 8:54am
This is said with a smile.......yes Buzz there are people here who are knowledgeable about bridges, which is one of the things that makes HHR so interesting.
The bridge might be a lousy train bridge, but it got me interested in the Eagle Cap Train Ride through the Wallowas.
L.E. on 17th September 2018 @ 9:58am
LE, while you are as far as Elgin you can go on up to Joseph and ride a four wheel two man pedal bike on the rails down to Enterprise, same as those at Garabaldi and Shelton ~
My comment above of the three bridges between Perry and Hilgard, we drove them on the old 30, 84 only crosses once ~
Kenn on 17th September 2018 @ 4:26pm
Sorry L.E. I wouldn't have submitted my comments if I had known Kenn had already commented. Anyway, always enjoy hearing your mostly very knowledgeable comments. I have said a few things that I wished afterwards that I could erase. LOL.
Buzz on 17th September 2018 @ 4:27pm
Buzz......my comment was the stupid one. Without center supports, it would not be a good bridge for much of anything heavy.
I have not been to Joseph/Wallowa/Grand Ronde backroads for quite a few years. This photo has stirred my interest to pay them a visit and I better hurry up before the Tamarack loose their needles and the snow flies.
L.E. on 17th September 2018 @ 5:57pm
Is it advertising or graffiti? I guess it could be both.
kmb on 17th September 2018 @ 8:07pm
I would guess not graffiti, I do not think of such anti social behavior until more recent days (except for romantic expressions carved on trees)
Kenn on 18th September 2018 @ 8:12am
A RR bridge requires much stronger truss members such as the Warren trusses UP used in the gorge or the Pratt trusses SP&S used on the north bank. The use of Smith or other trusses seems to be rare and now concrete replaces most with less maintenance. Interesting to see steel RR bridges such as over the Hood River do not rest directly on the concrete but on stone blocks topping the piers ~
Kenn on 18th September 2018 @ 9:05am
On one of the previous Dr. Shaw photos I had posted that he and his wife had lived in Enterprise OR, moved to Ashland and then Hood River.
Here is a story about the 1896 robbery of the First Bank of Joseph and the involvement of Dr. and Mrs. Marion Shaw.
L.E. on 18th September 2018 @ 12:20pm
To see a steel bridge resting on rock on top of the concrete, driving under the RR along the Hood River east bank is an example. This short road also goes to the abutments of both the replaced road bridges
Kenn on 21st September 2018 @ 8:39am
Bothers me that a photographer would be this far from any town or settlement, so have attempted to make this the first crossing rather than the third going upstream from LaGrande. The hill is just too close to the bridge though ???
Kenn on 4th December 2018 @ 7:29am